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#PMT-2020-0520-9115
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The LeBron vs. MJ debate has evolved into whether LeBron would be a better #2 than Scottie Pippen

LeBron James has been Quoted as saying that he would like to have played with MJ not against them... now the debate has shifted to would LeBron James be a better number two than Scottie Pippen is. So now we're comparing that now we're saying would LeBron be a better number two than Scotty was to Jordan.

The debate is subjective, but PFT is correctly identifying a shift in media discourse at that time.
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#PMT-2020-0520-9122
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Vince Carter's dunk over Frederic Weis is the most vicious in basketball history

Fredrik Weiss not getting out of the way of Vince Carter worst business is very is he's ever made? Yep. Yep. It was vicious nut dragging dunk in history of basketball.

Subjective opinion on the quality of a dunk.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2020
#PMT-2020-0518-7076
Big CatBig Cat

The Chicago Bulls organization is on Michael Jordan's shit list, and that's why they've been doomed ever since

I think the reason why the Bulls have been doomed ever since is because the Bulls are actually on Michael Jordan's list now, too. If you watch that last moment when he has the iPad available, like finding out why Reinsdorf said they should break up the team. I think he is now, I think the Bulls are the top. It goes Bulls and then Isaiah Thomas on MJ's shit list. And anyone who ends up on MJ's shit list, as we learned through this 10-part documentary, is screwed forever.

The Bulls have famously struggled for decades after the Jordan era ended.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2020
#PMT-2020-0518-7077
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Reggie Miller's 'throw away the game plan' quote is what losers say in Game 7s

I knew that there was a difference between Reggie Miller and Michael Jordan was in this documentary when Reggie Miller said, when you get to Game 7, you just throw away your game plan entirely because it's all about who wants it more in a Game 7. It's like that's exactly what somebody who loses a Game 7 says. Like, yeah, the whole like they wanted it more and you don't have a game plan. Michael Jordan wanted you to think that they didn't have a game plan. Michael Jordan absolutely had a game plan in that Game 7.

This is a subjective interpretation of coaching and player psychology.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2020
#PMT-2020-0518-7079
Big CatBig Cat

The 1998 Bulls definitely would have won a 7th championship if they had stayed together

the ending obviously broke my heart because it's like they definitely would have won a seventh in my mind. That was the lockout year, so they would have had a lot of – they would have had a lot of rest. They wouldn't have had to start for a long time... If they had brought it back for another year, it would be tough to think that anyone would have beaten them.

This is an unprovable historical hypothetical.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2020
#PMT-2020-0518-7086
Karl MaloneKarl Malone

The NBA would have been forced to change the rules if Shaq or Charles Barkley had taken weight lifting seriously

Can you imagine if Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal would have took weight training serious? With Shaquille, they would have changed the rules. He was already – you know, you're talking about country strong? Him. But Charles Barkley, for what he could do, can you imagine if he would have took weight training serious? I don't ever – I could be wrong. I don't think Charles left a weight in his life.

Subjective hypothetical, but based on the physical dominance Shaq already displayed.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2020
#PMT-2020-0518-7087
Karl MaloneKarl Malone

Comparing the physicality of the modern NBA to the 90s is absolute nonsense

Stop the nonsense. Don't compare what's happening now to back then. What are you talking about? ... analytics right now. That's all they talk about. Analytics. Sprinkle some analytics in there. But all this, hold on. You know, my hat not getting hot. I'm just I almost got a migraine just then thinking about players resting.

Classic old-school vs. new-school debate. Physicality rules and enforcement have objectively changed.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2020
#PMT-2020-0518-7088
Karl MaloneKarl Malone

If an NBA player needs to rest for 'load management', they should do it at home, not on the road

let's make a rule right now... if you're going to rest, rest at home in front of your season ticket holder... The emphasis have to be or should be back on the fans and less of the athlete because we're going to do what we do.

This is a proposed solution to a league-wide issue.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2020
#PMT-2020-0518-7089
Karl MaloneKarl Malone

Chris Webber, Derek Coleman, and Charles Barkley were all more talented than me, but I outworked them

I'm going to tell you three guys that have more talent than Karl Malone. Chris Webber, Derek Coleman, Charles Barkley. More talent. More talent. But they did not outwork me. I will never use the word he was better than me. More talented is different, right? I look and say, I can't do his position and he can't do mine... More talent? Yes. Worked harder? No.

Subjective self-assessment of his peers.
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Take Slip·May 11, 2020
#PMT-2020-0511-15444
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Michael Jordan's personality is the only thing that allowed him to be exceptionally great

You don't say that him being a jerk made him great, but you're saying that his greatness, like, yeah, he probably would not have been looked at in the way that we look at him right now if he didn't have that personality.

The relationship between personality and performance is subjective.
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Take Slip·May 11, 2020
#PMT-2020-0511-15458
Tim GroverTim Grover

Michael Jordan was only 70-75% of his peak self during the 1995 NBA return

When he came back for that shortened season, 70%, 75% best. And it was a crazy thing. Even at 70%, 75%, he's probably better than 90% of the players, but he wasn't Michael Jordan.

This is an expert physical assessment by his direct trainer. While technically subjective, it's based on his first-hand data.
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#PMT-2020-0511-15463
HankHank

LeBron James is one of the worst teammates of all time because he takes all the credit and trades everyone else

LeBron James. Can't be fun to be his teammate. You're always, always in fear that he's like, if you do well, he's going to take all the credit. If you do bad, he's probably going to trade you off the team.

The 'LeGM' reputation is well-documented but his status as a 'worst teammate' is highly subjective given he wins titles with them.
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Take Slip·May 6, 2020
#PMT-2020-0506-11520
Caron ButlerCaron Butler

Mountain Dew prevented me from getting cramps during NBA games

I was a full-blown addict, man, with the Mountain Dews... I used to have a liter, like, just in my locker... third quarter comes, bam, Mountain Dew, no cramps. Then fourth quarter comes, bam, Mountain Dew, get buckets. I hit game winners because of that shit.

Butler genuinely believes this, though sports science would heavily disagree with soda being the optimal electrolyte/anti-cramping solution.
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#PMT-2020-0506-11522
Big CatBig Cat

March Madness makes you want to play basketball more than any other event

I would say my number one would be March Madness always makes me want to go play hoops. Something about March Madness makes basketball more romantic, so you just want to go play it and relive Valpo and all this shit.

Purely subjective debate on sports inspiration.
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Take Slip·May 4, 2020
#PMT-2020-0504-9382
Horace GrantHorace Grant

Michael Jordan's claim that I was the source for 'The Jordan Rules' is a lie

For MJ to say I wasn't the source of this book, that's a lie. That's a downright lie and he knows that... Sam Smith spent more time with Bill Cartwright, BJ Armstrong, Paxson, Tex Winter, Johnny Bach... I don't know where that comes that I was the source behind the book. It's a straight-up lie.

While Sam Smith has protected his sources, he has stated that several players were sources, and the blame shouldn't fall on just one person like Grant.
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Take Slip·May 4, 2020
#PMT-2020-0504-9386
Horace GrantHorace Grant

Shaquille O'Neal and Penny Hardaway would have won at least two or three championships if they stayed together in Orlando

I would say at least two or three championships. People have forgotten about Penny Hardaway—6'7, 6'8 like a Magic Johnson who can shoot the ball, very athletic. His IQ was off the chart when it came to basketball.

Penny Hardaway's career was derailed by injuries shortly after Shaq left, making it questionable if they could have won multiple titles even if Shaq stayed.
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Take Slip·May 4, 2020
#PMT-2020-0504-9384
Horace GrantHorace Grant

The 1990s Bulls would have beaten the KD-era Warriors in six games

I would say the Bulls in six. Being with the Bulls, we don't believe in seven games in the finals... when you got a Michael Jordan and a Scottie Pippen in their prime and Horace Grant here, I mean, victory.

This is a purely subjective debate that can never be resolved.
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#PMT-2020-0501-4127
Big CatBig Cat

Michael Jordan is the absolute definition of a 'winner', despite his flaws as an owner

Michael Jordan is not a loser... he is the definition of the word winner? Yes. Yeah, I would say so in like sees synonymous with winner more probably any athlete.

Subjective sports debate about the definition of greatness.
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Take Slip·Apr 27, 2020
#PMT-2020-0427-18383
Big CatBig Cat

Dennis Rodman is a role model for finding a niche and becoming the best at it

I actually do think that Dennis Rodman is role model in a weird way in that if you can figure out something that you're the best at, it doesn't matter what weird little niche category it is in life. If there's one thing that you're better than everybody else that are more focused on, steer into that and get well really, really good at that and be known as the best to ever do that and you will be extremely successful.

The value of specializing in a niche is a widely accepted business and success philosophy, though calling Rodman a 'role model' is the provocative part.
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Take Slip·Apr 27, 2020
#PMT-2020-0427-18384
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Michael Jordan's switch-hand layup against the Lakers was completely unnecessary

The layup that Michael Jordan had in the finals against the Lakers where he jumps in the air and switches hands—completely unnecessary to do that. It's a cool-looking highlight, he didn't need to do that. You could have just done a finger roll with his right hand; he switched to his left hand because it looked cool.

While physically true (he had a clear right-handed lane), the take is a value judgment on the necessity of style.
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Take Slip·Apr 20, 2020
#PMT-2020-0420-14033
Big CatBig Cat

Jerry Krause deserves credit for the Bulls dynasty but his ego was a detriment

Krauss deserved more credit than he got but wanted more credit than he deserved. So he's constantly stuck in that spot where he is like I should be getting more credit and he probably in a weird way should but he wanted so much credit that it then became a detriment and a galvanizing force for those Bulls teams to be like, fuck you dude.

The take is a subjective evaluation of historical sports figures, generally aligned with the consensus of the documentary's portrayal.
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Take Slip·Apr 15, 2020
#PMT-2020-0415-5362
Kendrick PerkinsKendrick Perkins

Russell Westbrook is the greatest Thunder player ever, even if KD was the best

Russell Westbrook was the greatest Thunder ever. I didn't say he was the best player to ever play for the Thunder... the greatest is like a person who held it down... put up some great numbers. When you hear the name Thunder, you think of this person. Katie [Durant] left the door open.

Common debate in sports; Westbrook stayed while Durant left, leading many OKC fans to agree.
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Take Slip·Apr 13, 2020
#PMT-2020-0413-16344
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I have absolutely zero interest in the NBA HORSE competition

We did have HORSE last night which I'll tell you right now. I did not watch did not tune into that. Zach LaVine, that's really the only Zach LaVine who competes in every single like off-the-books contest there is at the end that the NBA can throw at you. Chris Paul, Paul Pierce, really no interest in it whatsoever.

The NBA HORSE competition was widely panned for poor video quality and lack of excitement.
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#PMT-2020-0309-18257
HankHank

Kyrie Irving is a coach killer who got Kenny Atkinson fired

My other whose back is coach killer Kyrie. Oh, so Kenny Atkinson who was many people were saying was one of the better coaches last year took a young group... He got fired yesterday and people are saying it's Kyrie and KD... Kyrie change seventh head coach in nine NBA season Kyrie Irving.

While Kyrie's influence on the firing is widely speculated upon by NBA insiders and fits the pattern of his career, it remains a subjective interpretation of front office dynamics.
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#PMT-2020-0306-5889
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LeBron James is exhibiting schizophrenic symptoms via his Instagram captions

His caption of him hitting that three-point shot... Me: I bet you won't. Me: Man who you talking to me. I'm talking to you... man you must not know me well... sounds like he's schizophrenic.

Satirical commentary on social media behavior.
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Take Slip·Mar 4, 2020·PR 101
#PMT-2020-0304-14467
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

James Dolan staged the handshake with Spike Lee to create propaganda for the Knicks

I wouldn't put it past James Dolan. I would not at all this happens at all the time in spy movies and TV shows where you send somebody up to get long-distance snapshot of right looking like something inappropriate is happening and boom. You've got the propaganda right there.

While never proven as a 'staged spy operation', Spike Lee himself claimed the photo was a misleading attempt by Dolan to save face, making PFT's analysis of the PR tactic quite accurate to the situation's optics.
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Take Slip·Mar 2, 2020
#PMT-2020-0302-12675
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James added six years to his career by missing the playoffs last year

I swear to God last year like just probably added another six years to his career just being able to sit out... it's incredible that he's still [playing like this].

LeBron led the Lakers to a title in 2020 and has remained elite well into his late 30s.
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Take Slip·Mar 2, 2020
#PMT-2020-0302-12677
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

James Harden didn't poop himself; it was just bad wiping

I'm like a poop spatter analysis guy and to me that just looked like his prolonged exposure to small amounts of poop that was on his butt. I'm just thinking he didn't wipe well. That's not like a shit myself top-down stain.

Harden's stained shorts were never officially explained, leaving this as a matter of comedic speculation.
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#PMT-2020-0226-641
Big CatBig Cat

If Zion Williamson is truly 300 pounds, he is the most impressive athlete of all time.

If Zion is 300 pounds, he's the most impressive athlete of all time. He's doing this as a 300-pounder... Better numbers than rookie LeBron. It's incredible watching him.

Zion's weight and athleticism were historically unique, though injuries later hampered his career.
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Take Slip·Feb 24, 2020
#PMT-2020-0224-5245
Big CatBig Cat

Brad Stevens being too nice to referees hurts the Celtics

Brad Stevens like his face and the fact that he treats refs was so much respect hurts him because if he just raises his voice a little he gets a technical foul. That was a bullshit technical foul. What kind of just calling a technical foul with a minute left in the game is also who does that?

Subjective analysis of coaching psychology and officiating bias.
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Take Slip·Feb 24, 2020
#PMT-2020-0224-5248
Shams CharaniaShams Charania

The Heat, Thunder, and Nets are the most forward-thinking NBA organizations

I look at you know, you got to look at the Thunder I They've done a good job the Nets on the obviously getting KD and Kyrie. I think a lot of the Nets is situation has to do with creativity but also information... Indiana. I think has a great kind of culture already set... I like what Miami is doing right now.

Subjective ranking of front office quality by an insider.
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#PMT-2020-0224-5256
Big CatBig Cat

Jim Boylen uses timeouts to delay the inevitable loss because he's a football guy

I think Jim Boylen is so disgusted with losing. He is a football guy in a basketball guys suit. He's so disgusted with losing. I think he uses timeouts the end of a game to literally stop time to delay the inevitable loss. I got you like he can basically say look, it's almost like it's almost like the end of Sunday Night Football when you're like, I don't have to go back to work.

Subjective psychological profile of a coach's strategy.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2020
#PMT-2020-0217-694
Joakim NoahJoakim Noah

The Chicago Bulls would have won the 2012 NBA Championship if Derrick Rose hadn't suffered an ACL injury.

If Derrick Rose doesn't go down... I think we're holding the trophy. We're the best team in the league. We got the job in my mind still to this day. There's no question. Nobody was fucking with us.

This is a great 'what-if' in sports history. The Bulls were the top seed, but the LeBron-led Heat eventually won the title that year. It remains unprovable but highly debated.
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Take Slip·Feb 14, 2020
#PMT-2020-0214-3965
Big CatBig Cat

The NBA All-Star Weekend is ruined by gimmicks and 'LeBron-ification'

The LeBron-ification of the NBA really is actually the John-ification because he's terrible at drafting... And the Three-Point Contest has a four-pointer now. It's like, what is this Ice Cube-ification? I feel like an old man yelling at a cloud... It's not my NBA.

The sentiment that All-Star weekend has lost its edge is subjective but common among traditional fans.
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Take Slip·Jan 27, 2020
#PMT-2020-0127-4414
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NBA should have canceled all games on the day Kobe Bryant died

I think [the NBA] should have canceled the games today because of what he meant everybody in the league. It seemed like Kobe had some sort of influence on every single team... it felt like one of those things where the the whole league was like sleepwalking.

The NBA did not cancel games that night, though they later postponed a Lakers/Clippers game. This remains a subjective opinion on how the league should handle tragedies.
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Take Slip·Jan 27, 2020
#PMT-2020-0127-4423
Kobe BryantKobe Bryant

Claiming a bad system or bad teammates ruined your career is just an excuse

That sounds like excuses to me. I mean, you got to figure it out, right? If you really have an obsession to figure it out. You will figure it out, right and every puzzles constructed differently... You just got to figure out Your own puzzles.

This is a foundational philosophy of Kobe's career and cannot be objectively proven true or false, though it is a highly debated topic in sports analytics regarding player environment.
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#PMT-2020-0122-18601
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James blaming his son for a poor performance is a new low

LeBron blames his son. A new low. A new low. Even for LeBron. He has gone as low as possible. He has blamed his son on his poor performance on Monday night. He said that he was a little out of rhythm because he went and watched his son play basketball in a tournament.

Subjective characterization of LeBron's post-game comments.
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#PMT-2019-1218-8168
Big CatBig Cat

Jim Boylen is the worst coach in the history of basketball

Yeah, he is the worst coach in the NBA. He might be the worst coach in the history of basketball... He called a timeout with 33 seconds left in the third quarter to stop the run... there is a timeout that's naturally [between quarters]... He's such a fucking idiot.

Boylen's .317 winning percentage with the Bulls is among the worst in franchise history for a non-interim coach, but 'worst in history' is subjective hyperbole.
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Take Slip·Nov 22, 2019
#PMT-2019-1122-15723
Big CatBig Cat

Ben Simmons made his first career three-pointer too early

I actually think that he did it too early... Because it was such a big moment. He should have waited till like year 10 looks like your virginity you get it out of the way. Yeah over quickly than you do it a million more times.

This is an inherently subjective comedic take about the timing of a career milestone.
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Take Slip·Nov 20, 2019
#PMT-2019-1120-3495
Tim DonaghyTim Donaghy

NBA games were manipulated by refs based on points of emphasis, not by direct point shaving

Fixing games. I mean, some people think that I went out there and put Shaquille O'Neal to the bench or LeBron James to the bench so that some of these bets won. That's really not what happened. I picked the games based on relationships that existed between referees and players, referees and coaches, and referees and owners, and what took place in the morning meetings with the referees and what was going to be called that night and how a team was going to be put at an advantage or disadvantage.

The NBA and FBI dispute aspects of Donaghy's story, but his claim remains his official stance. It cannot be fully verified beyond his own testimony.
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Take Slip·Nov 20, 2019
#PMT-2019-1120-3498
Tim DonaghyTim Donaghy

Officiating in the 2002 Lakers-Kings series was manipulated to ensure it went to Game 7

Definitely manipulate it when you talk about Dick Bavetta at the in 2002... the famous Lakers Sacramento Game 6. He openly said to a lot of us that he was the NBA's go-to guy. He was put on Game 6s to make sure they went to a Game 7 and that was one of the most fucked up games in the history of the NBA.

While widely suspected by fans and media, the NBA has never admitted to this, and Bavetta has denied it. It remains a claim of a disgraced official.
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Take Slip·Nov 20, 2019
#PMT-2019-1120-3502
Tim DonaghyTim Donaghy

James Harden travels are intentionally ignored because the NBA wants the highlights

The thing is that the NBA doesn't want that travel called. And when [James Harden] does travel, and even when it's obvious, they'll come out and say it has something to do with the gather, the Eurostep, the way the rule is written. It's just a bunch of bullshit to protect the fact that nobody called the travel.

While Harden's 'gather' was technically within the rules for years, the NBA did eventually clarify rules and points of emphasis to limit his specific step-back move.
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Take Slip·Nov 15, 2019
#PMT-2019-1115-15126
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Carmelo Anthony has been a hipster his entire career

I'm actually thinking his entire career Carmelo has been a hipster. Yeah. He dropped out of college. I went to go chill in Denver for a while got real high tried to go to New York because that's where all the Arts and stuff are happened... his greatest accomplishments all happen when he was traveling abroad.

This is a satirical characterization and cannot be objectively proven, though the parallels are funny.
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#PMT-2019-1101-4792
Big CatBig Cat

Joel Embiid is the most beloved athlete in a city that hasn't won a title

I joined them bead. I threw this out there earlier. But like is there a city that loves a player more than Joel embiid is loved in Philly. ... he is Philly at this point... other than just being wildly out of shape every spring and them not being get out of second round. I don't think you can do know he can do any wrong in Philadelphia.

Subjective measure of fan affection and city identity.
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#PMT-2019-1030-12019
Big CatBig Cat

Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant's relationship is a Jay and Silent Bob dynamic

I kind of like that Dynamic though. It's a little Jay and Silent Bob ish, right? So you've got Kyrie that never says anything and then you got Kevin Durant that just says everything, right? Yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah. This is sounds like it's going to be a good buddy cop type thing.

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#PMT-2019-1018-19067
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James only defended China to protect his Space Jam 2 ticket sales

LeBron is so transparent that he only wanted to say nice things about China because he wants to sell his stupid movie Space Jam 2. Space Jam 1 is better.

LeBron's business ties to China and the upcoming Space Jam 2 release were widely cited by critics as the reason for his stance.
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Take Slip·Oct 16, 2019
#PMT-2019-1016-742
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James' statement on China was so bad he could have claimed it was 'Opposite Day' 10 minutes later

He actually – it was such a bad statement that if he had come back and 10 minutes later been like not or like opposite day, he would have been good. He would have been good if he was like everything I said, that was a joke. I meant the opposite of that.

This is a subjective opinion on the quality of a PR statement.
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#PMT-2019-1002-17911
HankHank

Shaquille O'Neal won the diss track battle against Damian Lillard

The problem was that Shaq's diss track went harder and Shaq has the power of Inside the NBA... lyrical M3 time Finals MVP MVP candidate. You are not one.

Musical and lyrical quality is subjective.
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#PMT-2019-0927-15121
Jake MarshJake Marsh

Ranking Steph Curry over Kobe Bryant all-time is crazy

Bleacher Report came out with their top 50 all-time NBA players and Kobe was 14, Steph Curry is 10... They're mad. They're real mad. They're big mad.

This is an ongoing subjective debate in NBA circles, though the ranking was widely seen as a content-generating troll by Bleacher Report.
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Take Slip·Sep 18, 2019
#PMT-2019-0918-15513
Chris BoshChris Bosh

The Spurs intentionally turned off the AC during Game 1 of the 2014 NBA Finals

[Big Cat]: Do you think the Spurs intentionally turned off the AC in that final? [Bosh]: Absolutely. Of course. That's like Red Auerbach was known. If you're in Boston, the fire things that come off or whatever... I mean, he never denied it, right? But yeah, if I'm them, I'm trying to win.

The Spurs officially attributed it to an electrical failure. While widely speculated by fans, it has never been proven as intentional.
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